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Issue:        EVAL-OTHER

References: 5.1.1 Self-Evaluating Forms (p55)


Edit history: 07-Mar-88, Version 1 by Pitman

8-Jun-88, Version 2 by Masinter (correct typo, add to discussion)

Problem Description:

CLtL does not specify what the evaluation behavior of some data types.


Standard data types (those mentioned by CLtL) other than those for which

a more explicit evaluation rule exists would be defined to self-evaluate.

Such data types include, for example, structures, arrays, vectors, and


Structure types defined by users using DEFSTRUCT should also self-evaluate

unless an explicit implementation type for the structure is given in the

DEFSTRUCT, in which case the rule for evaluation of that type should be

used. (This is important in the case of type LIST.)

Test Case:




There are numerous possible positions that could be taken, from

requiring that an error be signalled for all of these cases to

requiring that these all have some useful behavior.

By making implementations agree, code portability is enhanced.

By biasing the decision away from the "signal

an error" end of the choice spectrum, the least interruption is

caused to implementations which already have working code.

There is still some chance that implementations will have some other

behavior than either signalling an error or self-evaluating, but there

are probably few if any.

Current Practice:

In many implementations, the other data types besides those mentioned in

CLtL will self-evaluate.

Cost to Implementors:

The cost is probably small. This is probably an "upward compatible"

change for most or all implementations -- a few lines of change in the

interpreter and/or compiler. Some code walkers may be affected as well.

Cost to Users:

None, if they are not exploiting implementation-dependent features of

some implementation that is being forced to make an incompatible change.

There should be no performance impact since the evaluator's test for these

new data types can simply be made to follow other tests already in place,

so existing code will not be slowed.

Cost of Non-Adoption:

Implementations will continue to differ in this relatively

user-visible way.


Portability will be enhanced because implementations will tend to agree

in places where they have traditionally not always agreed.


Some fans of 3LISP may find this invasive to their sense of distinction

between objects and the notation used to describe objects. In general,

however, this is a fairly picky detail that is not likely to trouble the

average programmer.


This idea for this proposal was suggested by the Japanese community.

Pitman drafted the formal proposal and supports EVAL-OTHER:SELF-EVALUATE.

Fahlman: "... I do remember the original design discussions. It was

proposed that everything but lists and symbols evaluate to themselves,

but at the time (this was quite early in the process) some people felt

that this might close out interesting parts of the design space that

might turn out to be useful for something. This hasn't happened, and

I think it would be reasonable to close this door now. Some users do

find it confusing that you have to quote vectors but not strings."

There has been some additional discussion of this proposal (for example,

an explaination of why a similar proposal in Scheme might be a bad design.)

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